Dave Duerson’s Replacement

Aug 2, 2011

This is your Disability Board. This is your Disability Board at work.
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Former Seattle Seahawk Sam McCullum has declared himself as Dave Duerson’s replacement on the Bert Bell/Pete Rozelle Disability Board. And he’s not shy to talk about it. McCullum’s been sending out his thoughts on disability and entitlement to the local chapter of the NFLPA and it’s inflamed (a mild way to put it!) a lot of retirees to say the least. Here are some clips from his latest e-mails (EDITOR’S NOTE: our highlights in RED):
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“I can tell you this that the NFLPA and the league were in negotiations yesterday to finalize a number of open issues. I spoke to the folks about the benefits that are still pending, and was told I would learn a lot more at the meeting I will attending starting Wednesday. So time permitting I will send out an update on Friday.
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“I think the rift between what Carl Eller is saying and what Nolan is saying will be cleared up once the details are spelled out at the negotiating table in the coming days. We should hold our opinion on what is fact until that information is provided. Remember that as a retired players, as any retired person, we retired under certain rules and guidelines, as we had hoped to make significant changes to the guidelines doing the CBA negotiations, we have, how that is passed out to the players is up to the two groups that have agreed to the changes (NFLPA and NFL Management). We must get over this sense of entitlement we have, as what we are being given is a gift not a right. I use the comparison, if a UAW worker retired 20 years ago, and all of the sudden a new agreement is being worked out, do you think the guy that has been retired for 20 years should have a say in the final outcome of the current contract. I don’t think so, so let’s get away from this sense of saying something is owed to us, and be thankful for what is being added. To think we need to push away from the NFLPA and start a separate negotiating unit is misguided, as neither group owes us anything, we can ask for more, but none are obligated. So for those who felt they could hold up or derail the settlement between the NFLPA and NFL, have not read the laws that deal with pension programs and their participants, when it comes to their rights. Here is the link that provided the federal standards: Dept.of Labor: ERISA.
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Former NFL receiver Sam McCullum, 53, of Seattle gets treatment on his knee from Whitesel ProTherapy owner Jim Whitesel. McCullum is just one of many boomers suffering from joint pain.

“Don’t get me wrong, I think the level of benefit we have been given through the years is not up to par with our fellow professional athletes in baseball & basketball. But if you think back, we have all faced the choice of increasing our pension benefits or taking “the money now”, or wanting a “lump sum payment” that we felt we could invest better. Plus the biggest mistake we made was not finding a way to control our plan putting this as a top priority, so doing the years when the investments were doing very well, we could have raised the rates, rather than leaving the fund fully funded, which prevented the owners from making added contributions to the plan. We have come a long way, we can only hope the new CBA will provided some added choices that will benefit all of us.”
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I have a few questions myself for Sam. But before getting into that, I’m going to re-post an earlier article that was most educational on how ERISA law really works and what you SHOULDN’T be doing to violate it. It was written by attorney Jeffrey Dahl, who has been fighting for disability benefits for retired player, Gene Atkins. So in answer to your simple link to the Dept. of Labor section on ERISA law, here’s a real education on ERISA law for all of you to read from a lawyer who practices this stuff every day:
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We’ve uploaded a copy of this ERISA article to Scribd for easy viewing and to make them downloadable. You can also click the Enlarge icon in the center of the menu at the bottom of the viewing screen to enlarge it for easier navigation (just hit the ESC key to close):
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Jeffrey Dahl NFL and ERISA
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So with that as an introduction, here are my own questions for Sam McCullum:
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I played for six years in the NFL. At the age of 50, I actually qualified for Social Security Disability. Most people have no idea of how difficult it is to qualify for SSI Disability yet it was still not enough at that time to qualify for any NFL Disability. I read in one of your previous e-mails that you said you were Dave Duerson’s replacement on the disability board. Would you kindly answer the following questions:

  1. Who appointed you?
  2. What are your thoughts about the broken disability system?
  3. In the e-mail you just sent out, you compared a retired UAW worker to a retired football player. That make no sense to me. Would you please explain your line of reasoning?
  4. Have you been sent for any training to be on the Board?
  5. Do you understand the Social Security system?
  6. On May 4, 2011, Doug Ell from the Groom Law Group said that votes by the board were typically unanimous when deciding claims, inferring that Duerson’s vote was not crucial. Has that been your experience?
  7. Do you exercise independent judgment, skill and care when you vote or do you follow the votes of others?

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23 Responses so far | Have Your Say!

  1. Ange Coniglio
    August 2nd, 2011 at 6:42 pm #

    Ange Coniglio

    The UAW?!! Professional Football is a NINE-BILLION-DOLLAR-A-YEAR BUSINESS. It’s not a question of ENTITLEMENT.

    I have been a fan of Professional Football since the days of the All-America Football Conference. Because I am also an American Football League historian, I have been kept informed by former players about the shameful treatment by the league and its players association of the retired players that we fans remember so well.

    That any former all-league, World Champion or Hall of Fame player or ANY Professional Football retiree should receive a monthly pension of $300 or less is a travesty that should leave the league and its union hanging their heads in shame. Whatever the reason, early retirement, poor life decisions regardless – how can a $9 billion-per-year business not find it in its heart to make these old heroes whole financially and in body, mind and spirit?

    The treatment of retired Professional Football players by the league and union is a huge wart on the golden facade of the sport.

    The only way for the NFL to be a TRUE ‘professional’ enterprise, and for the ‘union’ to claim to care for its members, is to make SUBSTANTIAL, wide-reaching improvements to the pensions, health care and disability programs of retired players.

    NOBLESSE OBLIGÉ: Whoever claims to be noble must conduct himself nobly.

    Angelo F. Coniglio
    Lifelong Fan
    Remember the AFL

  2. Tony Davis
    August 2nd, 2011 at 9:44 pm #

    Tony Davis

    The responsibility of being on the Bert Bell/Pete Rozelle Disability Board carries with it an understanding of Federal ERISA Law as well as knowledge of Disability Law and Labor Law.

    When a person speaks to issues in an interview, transparency can expose the truth. Let’s take a look at some of these truths:

    “#1. We must get over this sense of entitlement we have, as what we are being given is a gift not a right. I use the comparison that if a UAW worker retired 20 years ago and all of the sudden a new agreement is being worked out, do you think the guy that has been retired for 20 years should have a say in the final outcome of the current contract. I don’t think so, so let’s get away from this sense of saying something is owed to us and be thankful for what is being added.”

    If this is the understanding of Labor Law that our newly appointed Disability Board member has, we are in trouble to start with. We were employees of the NFL and, as such, are protected by Federal Labor and Workers Compensation Laws. That makes it an earned protection or right. The analogy that you used is ridiculous. If a UAW worker suffers damage while working on the job, he is protected by his Union which has negotiated free medical, surgical and ongoing rehab for him – for as long as the injury exists. If, 20 years after working, an injury surfaces that was proven to be the result of working as an Auto Worker, he is once again entitled to medical care and rehab at the expense of the Employer. AND his Union stands up for him! Sam, get that one right to start with. We know the laws and we understand the Pension structure. We all understand that in ’93 our Executive Director sold out his Retired Players to get additional benefits for his active players. We understand the travesty that is in place which says if a Retired Player takes his pension early for whatever reason, he is no longer entitled to a Disability award. We also understand – very well – the Medical liabilities that exist with regards to the NFL/NFLPA.

    Lastly, Sam, your public comments about NFL Retired Players raise red flags that will be looked into. How can a man who has publicly berated NFL Retired Players be expected to act fairly towards those same NFL Retired Players he attacks?

    The Dept. of Labor should find that part interesting.

    Tony Davis
    Cincinnati Bengals & Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    1976 – 1982

  3. Sam McCullum
    August 3rd, 2011 at 10:51 am #

    EDITOR’S NOTE: Sam McCullum just sent an e-mail back to Dave and the rest of the players who are in the NFLPA membership here in the Seattle area. Instead of answering offline, Dave wanted to post it up here publicly exactly as it was written so Sam will know that it will not be rewritten “to say what you want it to say.” Why wouldn’t all of the membership of the NFLPA as well as all the other retired players want to know what your next representative on the Disability Board has to say?

    Sam McCullum Seahawks

    Dave:

    I would respond to your comments, but knowing it wil onlyl (sic) be rewritten to say what you want it to say.

    if you read my comments, you will see that those of you who feel entitled to get additional dollars and benefits are wrong, we all negotiated the benefits and compensation when we played, and we have since retired under those conditions. To expect current day players and management to reach back 30 years and make changes to what was negotiated then is a good wish and a great goal, but not an obligation.

    Good luck with your effort, i just wish you were not so bitter that you can’t see the good that has and will continue to happen in the coming weeks. We have make progress because of efforts by a lot of folks, but the exact details are still being worked out as negotiations are still ongoing. Please wait until the final documents are drafted before you write it off as a failure.

    Sam McCullum
    Minnesota Vikings, Seattle Seahawks
    1974 – 1983

  4. RobertinSeattle
    August 3rd, 2011 at 11:29 am #

    RobertinSeattle

    Mr. McCullum seems to have already forgotten that he was also a beneficiary of the recent Players Inc. GLA lawsuit in which the Union defrauded its retired members out of millions of dollars in royalty payments for using their images and stats in Electronic Arts’ Madden Football video game. Looking back over that court filing, it looks like Mr. McCullum did better than most of you: He received checks that covered four of the five years (2003 to 2006) for a total of $14,739.91! Oh – and look at that! Nolan Harrison III also received checks for THREE of those years – 2003 to 2005 – for a total of $9,365.96 just like Dave!

    That’s interesting – did you gentlemen donate all that money to charity? You were probably all too happy to accept that money when the checks were cut even though it was your own Union that screwed you and actually got convicted of breaching their fiduciary duty in a Federal Court! And yet here you are trying to defend that same Union now that you work for them? Hmmm.

    Robert

    P.S. – Want to look up who got paid? That document is still up on DocStoc – just click HERE.

  5. John Hogan
    August 3rd, 2011 at 11:38 am #

    John Hogan

    Sam,

    Do you speak for yourself or is that an NFLPA position on improvements for retired players?

    Also, if you would like a taste of why Dave is “so bitter,”* I would be happy to discuss his lengthy NFL disability benefits history with you from a legal, factual and moral perspective.

    * BTW – I don’t call it bitterness. I call it fight and determination – the characteristics which made him a great football player – that he’s not just going to go away and happily take the injustice he has suffered!

    John Hogan
    Disability Attorney & Player Advocate

  6. Sam McCullum
    August 3rd, 2011 at 4:29 pm #

    EDITOR’S NOTE: In response, Sam McCullum just sent an e-mail back to Dave and the rest of the players who are in the NFLPA membership here in the Seattle area. Once again, we’re posting it up here publicly exactly as it was written.

    Sam McCullum Seahawks

    As i asked before, wait until all the details have been worked out.

    Sam McCullum
    Minnesota Vikings, Seattle Seahawks
    1974 – 1983

  7. Dave Pear
    August 3rd, 2011 at 4:47 pm #

    Dave Pear

    Sam –

    We’re not asking you anything about the CBA nor would we expect you to know or understand everything about it. We already have lawyers to explain that to us.

    What we’re asking are some very specific questions about the Disability Plan, how it works, how you got selected to sit on it and what it is that makes you qualified to judge our cases in a fair and neutral fashion.

    Everyone seems to keep beating around the bush about change but no one ever shows us what they’re actually talking about. They just keep asking us to trust them and to wait. That business-as-usual approach is no longer acceptable. For now, all we have asked of you are answers that all those who deem themselves responsible and worthy of earning our trust should be able to provide openly and honestly.

    Dave Pear

  8. Burt Grossman
    August 4th, 2011 at 3:43 pm #

    Burt Grossman

    So is the deal supposed to be done now and we’re stuck with it for another 10 years? We’re all waiting for Sam (and now David M. now) to prove to us how great it is as promised, now that it’s been declared as official…

    Burt Grossman
    San Diego Chargers, Philadelphia Eagles
    1989 -1994

  9. Dave Meggyesy
    August 4th, 2011 at 4:41 pm #

    EDITOR’S NOTE: So rather than respond publicly, Dave Meggyesy also sent some e-mails back to Dave and the rest of the players who are in the NFLPA membership here in the Seattle area. Once again, we’re posting them up here publicly exactly as they were written. He is always welcome to respond.

    David Meggyesy

    Dave –

    Excuse my weighing in here. The wrongs you say you suffered will never be made “right.” Sam is one of the best and put himself on the firing line when he was a player as Seattle’s player rep, when we were in the war. Where were you? You have never acknowledged what the NFLPA did do for you in fighting for you and all the other players. We accomplished a great deal, check out the history. Throw your stones at the NFL not the NFLPA and please don’t cast aspersions on those people who had the balls to fight for you when you did not do so for yourself.

    David Meggyesy

    And an earlier e-mail before it was disclosed that there was an additional $500 million undisclosed to the retired players at large:

    I’m amazed at your continual campaign of misinformation and conspiracy thinking. Perhaps the new CBA has put you out of a job as uber critic. As the saying goes, “It’s over dude, come in from the cold.” The former players gained a great deal. De, the active and former players at the table during negotiations stood up and fought hard for former players. The proof is in the $620 Million gained.

    Be well,
    David Meggyesy
    St. Louis Cardinals
    1963 – 1969

    EDITOR’S NOTE: We did go back and “check the history” by looking over the Players Inc. settlement papers for Dave Meggyesy – it looks like Mr. Meggyesy also did well by not opting out of that lawsuit even as he worked at the Union to “make things better”: Just like Sam McCullum, he received checks that covered four of the five years in the suit (2003 to 2006) for a total of $14,739.91! So when did you think the Union got better? BEFORE or AFTER you got your lawsuit check?

  10. Burt Grossman
    August 4th, 2011 at 5:50 pm #

    Burt Grossman Cover

    And what’s with these puppets who keep playing both sides of the fence? How can you say how great the Union has been to retired players and then include yourself in a lawsuit that completely contradicts your position?

    Then you collect the money and go back to stroking management and the Union? Talk about selling out your integrity.

    Burt Grossman

  11. Bruce Jarvis
    August 4th, 2011 at 6:39 pm #

    Bruce Jarvis

    Hi David (M.),

    Just read your “Excuse my weighing in here… comments.”

    Apparently, you feel you earned something while Dave Pear did not. Before you think about attacking my credentials as well (no doubt you may want to cast aspersions on my “balls”), I walked the picket lines in 1974 along with teammates like Fred Forsberg and Reggie McKenzie. Together with Jim Hart and the many guys from the Bills and Cardinals (you may have been there – you appear to enjoy strikes), we – along with players from other teams – struck the Hall of Fame Game in Canton. I still remember a long and interesting conversation with now-Minnesota Supreme Court Justice Alan Page regarding labor movements, capitalism, the role of players and the control of the financial and human capital of professional athletics (Alan was down to 225 lbs., already running marathons as he planned his transition from football to law).

    You appear to have no problem with attacking other retired players, a divisive tactic which many of us feel is the single biggest cause of the reduced leverage we retirees endure in the battle for decent benefits during what was your lengthy paid position at the NFLPA – from what I have been told – you failed to help negotiate. Breaking both arms and then patting yourself on the back for a benefits situation that is less than a third of baseball is comical and indeed, what some would call criminal.

    It might be best for you to stop taking shots at Dave Pear. He has been a tireless fighter for decades battling on the outside and for the last three or four years, successfully uses his blog to bring to light the nasty business of your fiduciary responsibility-violating buddies at the NFLPA (those current and the ghosts from the past whose accomplishments you continue to extol) and NFL ownership.

    Increasingly we are hearing the drumbeats of RICO. I don’t know whether the owners’ clout with the conservative members of Congress or the PA’s ties with the Attorney General and the President will forestall a Department of Labor or NLRB investigation but as a student of history you may have noticed the similarities between the actions of the NFLPA and the mob-controlled unions of the Kennedy era. If memory serves me right, that’s when and how RICO came into being. I’m not a lawyer but I’ve been told that the criminal side of RICO contains no statute of limitations.

    Let me put it this way: In my humble opinion, Dave Pear has raised many old skeletons and issues regarding the NFLPA and the NFL and their cozy history that many of us feel have shed a powerful and needed light. It’s understandable why you might want to attack him.

    Bruce Jarvis
    Buffalo Bills
    1971 – 1974

  12. David Meggyesy
    August 4th, 2011 at 7:41 pm #

    EDITOR’S NOTE: Dave Meggyesy responded by e-mail to Bruce Jarvis who has forwarded his response to us to post publicly.

    David Meggyesy

    Bruce –

    To keep the record straight when will you anti NFLPA former players do three things:

    1) give some credit to the reality of the fact of the hundreds of millions active players during Gene’s tenure pushed back to former players. As a former player I am a recipient, how about you?

    2) realize that many bitching former players are not taking responsibility for decisions they made by taking their pensions early in the various ways it could be done and now at retirement age have very little pension left. Gene and the active players closed that loophole.

    3) recognize that all money players receive, active and former, came as a result of an eleven year war with the with the NFL owners which, by the way, we won. Read the history, look at the history, it speaks for itself.

    Conspiracy theory abounds. What I said to Dave is this: If you are going to throw rocks throw them at the NFL not the union. Who is beating the RICO drumbeats, you! Mafia, what, run this by Kevin Mawae, Trace Armstrong, Mike Kenn! Unfortunately Dave has become a professional critic and apparently is again enjoying another 15 minutes of fame. The insecure and powerless invariably resort to conspiracy, “the others” who apparently have vast power over all of us. No, we knew who the enemy was, we beat them, won our little war. How much money do you think current players would be making if this had not happened?

    David Meggyesy
    St. Louis Cardinals
    1963 – 1969

  13. RobertinSeattle
    August 4th, 2011 at 8:02 pm #

    RobertinSeattle

    Gentlemen –

    Time to stand back and chill. Like David Meggyesy says, let’s give credit where it’s due. You may all be more in agreement than you think:

    1) yes – the NFLPA managed to get “hundreds of millions” for retired players. But while also managing to stuff hundreds of untold millions more into the pockets of a few like Gene Upshaw and his cronies actually running the Union behind the scenes;

    2) yes – again you’re right. Lots of these men took early pensions. But as we discovered over time, all too many of these men did indeed take early pensions based on the advice of none other than their fearless leader who – along with others – provided them with false actuarial statistics that said they would all be dead by 56 so they needed to consider taking early pensions (and then re-writing the rules so they couldn’t qualify for disability as well – just ask poor Johnny Unitas’ family since you like quoting history so much);

    3) yes – indeed you may have “won” an 11-year war (but it’s certainly far from over even today). But then the retired players still had to sue this wonderful Union in court for fraud anyway for screwing them out of millions in royalties from which guys like you and McCullum and Harrison also benefited, even as you keep beating that Union drum.

    So yes – credit where it’s due. You own it. It’s yours. The majority of the nearly 1,000 men who have already signed that Declaration of Independence so far have also attached messages that say they each want a vote AND they want to break away from this Union.

    And why is it you guys at the Union seem to enjoy mis-quoting old sayings? Here’s a real one for all of you:

    If you find yourself in a hole, the first thing you should do is stop digging.

  14. John Hogan
    August 5th, 2011 at 6:03 am #

    John Hogan

    I’m not a former player. I am a disability attorney who has been trying to correct the serious flaws in the NFL disability system. I will keep my comments confined to that.

    First, if the PA was so interested in helping retired players, why did Gene Upshaw ( in his last act regarding disabled retired players) sign off on a “side letter” amending the disability plan to eliminate retroactive disability benefits? For some guys, this amounted to a loss of up to $375,000!
    Second, after Dave Pear himself, no one is more familiar with his more than 25 year struggle for the disability benefits he has been improperly denied, than I am. Dave’s first screwing was in his claim for Line of Duty benefits – which was denied because he failed to meet one of four criteria. That one criteria he did not meet was eliminated years ago as being too harsh – but it didn’t help Dave. His claim for Total and Permanent Disability benefits was denied in 1995 because a Plan doctor said he could work – despite the fact that he had an 80% or greater impairment to his spine as declared by the Plan’s own appointed doctor! (As a disability attorney, I find that virtually incomprehensible.) Dave received no help, guidance, counsel or assistance from his union to appeal his claim and, in fact, was told by a union representative that he had to be like Darryl Stingley (paralyzed) to succeed. I can understand the three NFL members of the retirement Board voting to deny his claim, but I cannot understand for the life of me why the three PA–appointed members of the Board did not question that doctor’s opinion. Incompetent? Part of a RICO conspiracy to keep the number of disabled former NFL players to a minimum? I don’t know. But I do know that it was an incredible failure of the fiduciary duty of skill and care owed to Dave.

    Did anyone from the PA protest when the Plan’s General Counsel submitted two briefs to the U.S. Supreme Court, for which they were paid $147,000 – to fight against a law which would have made it somewhat easier for some guys to qualify for disability under the Plan? I doubt it. In fact, they probably helped authorize it.

    Last (I could say a lot more, but I won’t here), I have been proposing substantial changes to the NFL disability plan for over four years. I believe that the Plan regularly violates ERISA law and that there is an ongoing failure of fiduciary duty in the adjudication of disability claims. I can understand the NFL trying to ignore these changes but again, I just can’t comprehend why the PA has done everything they can to avoid any discussion of my proposals – as each and every one does nothing but help the players! If they had their own disability expert advising them I might understand; but to the best of my knowledge, they don’t – unless it is the Plan’s General Counsel: the Groom Law Group – who are the authors (and beneficiaries) of much of the disability debacle.

    The PA’s primary interest is to active players. We get it. God Bless them for what they do for active players. However, they (and you) need to drop the charade that they also have retired players’ best interests at heart.

    The FACTS clearly show otherwise.

    John Hogan
    Disability Attorney
    Retired Football Player Advocate

  15. Bruce jarvis
    August 5th, 2011 at 9:21 am #

    Bruce Jarvis

    Hi David (M),

    Your last line “How much money do you think current players would be making if this had not happened?” says it all.

    I’d rather think how much better the life of my rookie line mate, Donnie Green – who spent more than a decade in a shelter but is now living independently – would be if a relatively tiny amount more of that NFL pie had been allocated to the men who built the game.

    Perhaps you have a reasonable answer to the question, ”Why should the men who bore the risk to build the NFL NOT be entitled to benefits SUBSTANTIALLY GREATER than Major League Baseball”.

    Give it a try, David. No one has yet.

    Bruce Jarvis

  16. David Meggyesy
    August 5th, 2011 at 9:23 am #

    David Meggyesy

    Bruce —

    I don’t believe you addressed my comments. There is more suffering and tragedy in this world than you or I can imagine in a million lifetimes. As the saying goes, life does not owe any of us a living. Apply the same entitlement concept to the black lung coal miner who mined the coal that made the steel that built the tank that helped win WWII and saved this country, what should we tell him about entitlement. Who the hell is entitled, former NFL players?? All this is not to say that much more should be done to help those former players in need, or anyone in need for that matter. As Sam M has said, as do I, let’s see what is in the new CBA. I know for a fact active players on the Executive and negotiating committee along with De Smith were leading the charge to get greater benefits for former players.

    My beef with Pear is he and the others are putting the NFL and the NFLPA in the same basket, wrong, wrong. To say again, look at the history. Regarding what the current players make, I’m sorry you weren’t born 25 years ago, a wicked twist of fate.

    David Meggyesy

  17. Bruce Jarvis
    August 5th, 2011 at 9:24 am #

    Bruce Jarvis

    Hi David (M),

    Again, the question of why the disparity between football and baseball (or basketball for that matter) benefits is evaded.

    Apparently you are convinced that the level of pension benefits of the other sports negotiated in the same eras constitutes “entitlement” if we football players received them. Simple question…why? Mike Montler, my replacement at center (and our player rep. at the time) when my career was ended by injury, recently told me that years ago at a Boulder gym he compared his future benefits with his college teammate, John Stearns, a two-sport star who played for just about the same years as Mike but in baseball, and his quote to me was, “Bruce, I was embarrassed”.

    Yes, there is entitlement. We WERE and ARE entitled to the same type of representation, that same type of fair, highly moral and dogged representation as Marvin Miller and the various player representatives over the years afforded the Major League Baseball Players Association members. That did not happen then but by the light of facts discovered so far in litigation like Parrish v. NFLPA a fair amount of questionable financial self-dealing did take place and every dollar that went to buy luxury cars or was diverted to a younger eschelon of players (the “haves”) appears to be diametrically opposed to the much fairer methods used over the years in the other sports to divvy up the pie.

    We are waiting for the “number” on pension increases as well as any efforts to improve the sham of disability and zero health benefits. Mr. Smith and the active players who have denied us a vote in retirement matters (and who have kept us completely in the dark relative to negotiation details) will reveal the bargain they struck. The response of the pre-1993 players will be telling, as will the response of the taxpaying public as the word continues to get out about the cost they are bearing in retiree medical bills. Any guess as to how each group will react?

    Bruce Jarvis

  18. John Hogan
    August 5th, 2011 at 11:32 am #

    John Hogan

    Umm David M.,

    Poor analogy. The government set up a special compensation program for victims of Black Lung Disease which – like football disability – often does not manifest itself to a disabling degree until many years after employment ends.

    John Hogan

  19. Dave Duerson’s Replacement on NFL Disability Board: New Deal Isn’t Finalized, So Hold Your Fire « Concussion Inc. – Author Irvin Muchnick
    August 5th, 2011 at 3:36 pm #

    […] A war of words has erupted on the comments board under an item at the blog of Dave Pear, a leading dissident National Football League retired player. See “Dave Duerson’s Replacement,” http://davepear.com/blog/2011/08/dave-duersons-replacement/. […]

  20. Mark Cooper
    August 5th, 2011 at 3:48 pm #

    Mark Cooper

    David Meggyesy,

    No disrespect but you’re not doing yourself or anyone at the NLFPA any justice. You should sign out because you’re just embarrassing yourself.

    There are too many facts you just can’t debate or ignore. Period.

    Mark Cooper
    Denver Broncos 1983 – 1987
    Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1987 – 1989

  21. Roman Gabriel
    August 5th, 2011 at 6:21 pm #

    Roman Gabriel

    McCullum and Meggyesy are typical talking heads for the NFLPA. Neither one represented the ideals of pre-60’s players OR me (a 16-year veteran) who has also suffered through 12 surgeries, a major stroke and congestive heart failure – all due to football. I would still do it over with the unselfish guys I played with and against.

    Amazing to me when these guys take advantage of the system which supposedly makes it better for them.

    Bah! Humbug!

    Roman Gabriel
    16-Year Vet, #18
    LA Rams, Philadelphia Eagles
    1962 – 1978

  22. Lou Piccone
    August 6th, 2011 at 6:28 am #

    Lou Piccone

    Hey Roman,

    Ditto! These guys ride the rhythm of whatever music the PA is playing. I bet all of them took the money from the Parrish/Adderley Lawsuit. This was certainly just the “Tip of the Iceberg” when it comes to addressing the abuse the PA practiced in keeping the Pre-93 Guys out of the new profits. So the Greedy New Organization could run roughshod over naive, trusting Rookies and new guys while the Retired Players were controlled by Neutered Retired Player Steering Committees, guided by the enriched lifestyles of the newly rich-and-famous Allens.

    Why would you leave such a high-paying job after the death of such a honest leader that died with $15 million under his pillow. The Internet Changed All of that …can’t keep us quiet now!

    Lou Piccone
    New York Jets 74-76
    Buffalo Bills 77-83

  23. Larry Kaminski
    August 6th, 2011 at 8:30 am #

    Larry Kaminski

    Dave,

    Wow, quite a bit of rhetoric being spilled on the Duerson replacement. Personally, I do not want a guy like Sam representing me on FB matters. I am sure he’s a nice man but what does he know of the actual conditions in the 60’s and 70’s? I would like to see someone who is not an egotistical self-serving person who will look at the facts and then draw real conclusions. Everyone has opinions and like the paper I wrap my fish entrails, it serves a purpose and is thrown away.

    Personally, a guy like Bruce Jarvis makes very good sense. Keep it up and thanks for the forum!

    Larry Kaminski
    Denver Broncos
    1966 – 1973